John Lennon and his insipid politics

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Postby dsnito » Fri Jan 17, 2003 3:48 pm

Thanks Kite!! And as we can see in other hand, on "Double Fantasy", he is almost totally in a family way... his lyrics are just about his son(Beautiful Boy), his relationship with Yoko(Woman,I'm Losing You, Dear Yoko, Starting Over), his "retirement" of showbiz to care his home(Cleanup Time), and even about his confused things(Primal Scream therapy, political activism, the "Lost Weekend",etc.) he did in the past(Watching The Wheels)... well, it seems that on that lyric he wanted to say "I'm still alive here while the world goes round and I'm just watching it...I changed my mind, but people may not understanding, but I'm OK, I'm fine now", or something like that...

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Postby mr. kite » Tue Jan 21, 2003 3:54 am

Well, when he did Double Fantasy, he was 40, and at 40 one becomes wiser. What do you think, nito?[;)] It's unfortunate that we weren't able to hear more of what's in John's mind. It could have taught many people a lot.
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Postby dsnito » Tue Jan 21, 2003 9:42 am

Yeah Kite, I think you're right...John really changed his mind and matured at his 40, and that's very true that would be great if he was survived,'cos we would hear much more things of his matured mind... how could it be?? Which kind of music he would do?? How would it be his behaviour in nowadays??
But it's a pity, because now we can just IMAGINE it...

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Postby Liam OSM » Tue Jan 21, 2003 9:52 am

Yeah - he sounds so refreshed on DF and M&H - lots of great songs came to him in that period. Shame . . .
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Postby Child Of Nature » Fri Mar 14, 2003 10:07 pm

Chris, i disagree with you..
One might as well dismiss "Imagine" as empty and frivilous.
I believe John Lennon's desire for peace was valid and just, and he had every right to interject his beliefs into his music.

Like it or not, John was pro peace,anti war, very liberal, pro socialism, and many conservatives are very uncomforatble with that, even today-. And rest assured, if he were still with us today, hed be marching in protest at the maddening war looming on the horizon.

Look back at the 60s- most music then was a reflection of what was happening in our society...

Folk music reflected frustration over an empty war in Vietnam, and that spilled over into mainstream pop and rock.....

Music of Mowtown, such as Marvin Gaye, spoke of the fight for civil rights....

Im amazed there are many folks these days who feel musicians should shut up about war or politics..yet they forget rock itself was about speaking out about what was happening around us...

Be it 'Imagine', or 'Luck of the Irish', or 'Happy Christmas/War Is Over, John was indeed a voice for those who felt peace was prefereable to war.I have great respect for John..he cared about the world, and he made that known in his lyrics.

There are many conservatives today who dismiss John as a rabble rousing communist...

To me he was a beacon of hope,advocating peace, and certainly deserved the Nobel Peace prize....


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Postby mr. kite » Tue Mar 18, 2003 4:11 am

This just came into my head, if Macca wrote "Freedom" for 9-11, what could have John written in protest?
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Postby dsnito » Thu Mar 20, 2003 1:21 pm

Good question, Kite!! I also would like to know it...

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Postby maccastheman » Thu Mar 20, 2003 1:37 pm

quote:Originally posted by mr. kite
This just came into my head, if Macca wrote "Freedom" for 9-11, what could have John written in protest?


EXCELLENT question! John's idealism has its place. Of course peace is something we should all strive for. It's just that we live in the real world. As long as there are others who are willing to die for their cause and take others out with them or kill and torture others to attain positions of power, then we have to fight back. (Unless we want to die)

John himself questioned whether 100% peace was the right answer. In "Revolution"(White Album Version), he said, "but when you talk about destruction, don't you know that you can count me out...IN." He later explained that he's human, and although he prefers peace, he can't say that he 100% opposes any kind of military action.

Mankind is stumbling toward civilization. We go through periods of idealism, then we are struck with realism. (9/11) Maybe one of these days we will have an ideal world. It's not going to be in my lifetime, I'm afraid. It's definitely something we can dream about, however. (And shoot towards in the future)
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