Paul the musician

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Re: Paul the musician

Postby jgkojak » Sat Apr 12, 2014 1:15 am

Paul's instruments
1. Bass - really only Entwhistle can claim to compete w/Paul here
2. Accoustic Guitar - he really is a fine accoustic player with his own style
3. Piano/Keyboards - he's nearly as accomplished as his compatriots (Joel and Elton) who make a living at the piano
4. Lead Guitar - he has his own unique style on lead
5. Drums - Paul is a passable drummer - he's gotten better, but the drummer in any random pedestrian famous band can outplay Paul.
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Re: Paul the musician

Postby Mattal1958 » Sat Apr 12, 2014 6:40 am

this is silly to "rate" Paul's ability on each instrument.

Paul is nearly as accomplished as Elton and Joel on piano? Seriously? Paul is a competent pianio player, tailoring his songs for the songs he writes. There's nothing complex going on there.

Elton and Joel are much better piano players. Come on.

This doesn't denigrate Paul to say this. He's incredibly talented. For one, he writes COMPLETE songs, unlike Elton. As great as many Elton songs are, he only writes the melodies.

Paul rocks harder than Joel.

Paul plays more instruments than either.

But Elton and Joel are BETTER at the piano than Paul is. To say otherwise is being completely subjective.

And somewhere, out there, there are unknowns better than ANY of them at the piano...and probably bass...and drums...and whatever. They're just not pop stars.
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Re: Paul the musician

Postby bravefan » Sat Apr 12, 2014 8:59 am

Matta, you are absolutely correct. Elton and Billy J are by far better piano players. It's not even close and that's not insulting Macca one bit. It doesn't detract from Macca's ability to play or the enjoyment I get from him playing.
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Re: Paul the musician

Postby Mattal1958 » Sat Apr 12, 2014 12:52 pm

Exactly, Bravefan. Nobody likes Paul more than I do (I've gone to great lengths over the years "defending" him to people who just don't "get" him), but that doesn't mean one should be ridiculously blind to reality.

Overall, we've got the most succesfull pop songwriter EVER-- and he did it with both a great partnership (Mr. Lennon), and on his own.

We also have a great songwriter who is one of the best pop/rock vocalists ever.

Who is recognized as a master at his main instrument, the bass.

And, who can play just about anything one needs to make a one man pop record-- something he's done a few times already.

And, if you ask my wife, for one, he was also blessed with charm and good looks!

Do we need to also over-hype all of this? I don't think so!
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Re: Paul the musician

Postby garrystanton » Sat Apr 12, 2014 7:07 pm

Totally agree with you guys- as talented as Paul is, he is not in the same league as Joel, and especially Elton on keys. Those guys are real pianists, and Paul very rarely if ever gets into the same kind of complex territory on piano as they do. However, see above for the things he does well...or, indeed, brilliantly and influentially.
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Re: Paul the musician

Postby Mattal1958 » Sat Apr 12, 2014 11:02 pm

thanks, garrystanton!
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Re: Paul the musician

Postby Girl4Beats » Sun Apr 13, 2014 8:46 pm

Elton and Joel ARE better piano players than Paul. I will defend Paul to the max but Elton and Joel are better piano players.

I was part of a "crowd scene" back in 1990 being filmed at Foxboro. About 1,000 people got in free. Paul and group did not sing LIVE they lip sync'd. But the tape was not working properly and Paul and the band would walk around like wind up toys or the tape would go slow and Paul would step up to the microphone and apologize for having a frog in his throat.

But between takes Paul and the Band would Jam. Great! Best playing I have ever heard from that particular set of band members in ages. They were fabulous. I have no words to describe the best playing I have EVER heard from Paul in all my days. This was bass playing. He was not to be matched anywhere!! Blew me away! I love guitar music of any kind and this was great. Again, I can't describe the sound or the way I felt.
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Re: Paul the musician

Postby efghijiloveyou » Sun Apr 13, 2014 9:28 pm

It's better for the Beatles' music that Paul is just the piano player he is and not as gifted at it as Elton John or Billy Joel. Somehow it wouldn't sound right.
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Re: Paul the musician

Postby garrystanton » Mon Apr 14, 2014 4:24 am

efghi, yes you're right...BUT don't forget that Billy Joel's dad was a classical pianist who initially pushed Billy into playing piano from a very young
age, and that Elton started playing from the age of 3! Paul's background in piano was very different. Yes, Paul's dad was musical but he played trumpet in a little trad jazz band, and although there probably was an old upright piano in the sitting room at Paul's dad's house, there certainly was not the atmosphere of 'hothousing'as in the case of Billy and young Reginald. So Paul has done pretty well on piano but in no way can he be described as an equal to Joel or Elton on piano- to claim this would be disingenuous and delusional. Methinks. Having said that, Paul is an outstanding multi-musician, and singer, in a way that the other two could only dream about. IMHO.
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Re: Paul the musician

Postby Mattal1958 » Mon Apr 14, 2014 6:29 am

Girl4, I remember reading about that! I can't remember where, exactly, but it was several years ago, and Paul was talking about that day, and that between takes they jammed, a lot of basic rock and blues stuff. That would be my DREAM to hear him off the cuff and jamming like that. I've seen and heard "Live & Let Die" enough in my lifetime. I'd like to just hear him rock out. I've posted some of his sound checks here. Go To YOUTUBE, and check some of them out ("Mean Woman Blues," "Bring It On Home (To Jerome)," "Blue Suede Shoes," and several others).
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