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Harrison and Lennon on RS's 100 Greatest Guitarists

Postby I am the Paulrus » Sat Nov 26, 2011 7:13 am

Rolling Stone's 100 Greatest Guitarists of All Time: Harrison (11th), Lennon (55th)

George Harrison (11)
as told by Tom Petty

http://www.rollingstone.com/music/lists ... n-19691231

"George Harrison and I were once in a car and the Beatles song "You Can't Do That" came on, with that great riff in the beginning on the 12-string. He goes, "I came up with that." And I said, "Really? How?" He said, "I was just standing there and thought, 'I've got to do something!' " That pretty much sums him up. He just had a way of getting right to the business, of finding the right thing to play. That was part of that Beatles magic – they all seemed to find the right thing to play.

George knew every obscure Elvis solo; his initial influences were rockabilly – Carl Perkins, Eddie Cochran, Chet Atkins, Scotty Moore – but he always added something to it. Even going way back, I used to just swoon over that solo in "I Saw Her Standing There." You just can't imagine anything else there. He had that knack. And how many Rickenbacker 12-strings did that guy sell? That was a whole new sound too – Roger McGuinn got the idea from George, and then Roger took it to his own place with the Byrds.

When he moved over to the slide guitar later in the Beatles' career, it was a really beautiful thing to hear him play that. He once said to me, "I think modern guitar players are forgetting about pitch," and that was something he really cared about. He was very in tune when he played, the slide was very precise, and just a beautiful vibrato on it. It really sounded like a voice, like a very distinct, signature voice that came out of him. Just listen to those records. They're so immaculate, so inventive. He was a guy who could just add so much."

John Lennon (55)

http://www.rollingstone.com/music/lists ... n-19691231

When Rolling Stone founder Jann S. Wenner asked John Lennon how he rated himself as a guitarist, Lennon replied, "I'm not technically good, but I can make it ***censored*** howl and move. I was rhythm guitarist. It's an important job. I can make a band drive." It is, and he did: Lennon was the Beatles' spark plug and bloodletter, often adding rawness to pristine pop songs. Listen to the airborne strums that power "Help!," the circular riffage of "Day Tripper" or the deceptively sloppy "The Ballad of John and Yoko" – where, with George Harrison away on holiday, Lennon turned rudimentary lead and rhythm lines into sharptoothed magic. He was also capable of generating a truly ferocious tone: In the live promo clip for "Revolution," Lennon makes his hollow-body Epiphone Casino screech like a very angry lawn mower. Still, he didn't get his due as a guitarist in the Beatles' heyday. "They call George the invisible singer," Lennon said. "I am the invisible guitar player."
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Re: Harrison and Lennon on RS's 100 Greatest Guitarists

Postby chris » Sat Nov 26, 2011 8:39 pm

thanks, paulrus.

you know...i never used to appreciate george's playing. i knew he was good. and i knew he played a really important part in the most important group...but i never gave him his due. until, that is, he died. isn't it a pity (NPI...no pun intended, silly) thats how it works out sometime? i think he really was precise. and i think he got it note perfect each time he laid down a solo.

i recall listening to a boot many years ago. i think it was referred to as the black album. it was basically the let it be sessions. and he kept working on the solo to something. he was close. real close. and the solo didn't seem to change all that much from take to take. but there were minute changes. and when he got it just right...they used it.

george was deserving to be on this list exactly where rolling stone placed him.

lennon may have been deserving. but his guitar playing was not what people talked about when they praised john. his songwriting? sure. his vocals? you bet. his rock-and-roll attitude...and honesty? abso-fricken-lutely. but his guitar playing? uhhh...i'm not so sure. that isn't to say he didn't have his moments. his rythm guitar on all my loving alone deserved to be recognised as great picking. i'm just not sure it was enough to be named as one of rock's all time best?
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Re: Harrison and Lennon on RS's 100 Greatest Guitarists

Postby efghijiloveyou » Sun Nov 27, 2011 12:08 am

I hope you play guitar when you say that about John's guitar playing, Chris. I do play and John's guitar playing was great inspiration for me and very dear to me. If you do play, I'll respect your comment; if you don't, frankly I don't think you know enough to make that comment. No hard feelings though, Chris, please don't take this the wrong way; I don't mean to insult you. The chords alone that John chose to play were very unusual by today's standards and is part of the reason The Beatles' sound is so unique, he really played the guitar with passion too, giving it a strong voice. Don't you think the songs he wrote on guitar changed the way people wrote songs? It really did, so songs went from being banal before the Beatles to being unique and something totally new and original. When John said he wasn't technically great he was right and was all the better for it. Eric Clapton? Great...but his playing doesn't move me like John's. Maybe I'm just too old...or old-fashioned, but John's place on that list is well deserved if you ask me. As for George, eleventh on that list seems just about right. Now, what about Paul?
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Re: Harrison and Lennon on RS's 100 Greatest Guitarists

Postby chris » Sun Nov 27, 2011 1:07 am

first of all, brother, i am sad to say i do not play guitar. i don't play any instrument at all, in fact. second, you don't have to softly disagree with me. i can respect what you have to say even if we disagree. you've been posting a while here. you seem like an honorable dude (or...dudette, if it happens to be the case.) i'm a big boy. i am aware there are other opinions out there that differ from mine.

having said that, i stand by my opinion. all i can go by is what my ears tell me. and i think john is a great guitarist. just not one of the best. there are hundreds of guitarists that do move me much more than john. and i stand by my opinion that john's playing is 4th or 5th on the list of why you should admire the man.

this is a forum. and we are bound to disagree a lot more than we have so far, it's okay. i promise not to have too hurt a feelings when we do. but...being the old codger that i am...i can offer the promise that i will listen with a more open mind...and i also promise that you will be the first to know if i change my ways.
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Re: Harrison and Lennon on RS's 100 Greatest Guitarists

Postby gjh » Sun Nov 27, 2011 9:13 am

when i talk about what a great bass player paul is i will tell people when you listen,do your best to isolate just the bass..block out all other instruments
what you here is masterful.."another day" on the outset is a listenable tune ..but when you hear it next time focus on what he does with the bass lines in it..
john is the same..he was a fantastic rhythm player and was instrumental (hahah..as was the other three) in giving the beatles such a unique sound
and as mentioned he chose to use somewhat obscure chord progressions which would change the whole structure and sound of the songs
I agree with georges placement here..as a lead guitarist he was concerned with not over shadowing the other three and placed the notes in just the right places
it was the four of them working as a single unit which made them so good
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Re: Harrison and Lennon on RS's 100 Greatest Guitarists

Postby EddieV » Sun Nov 27, 2011 9:17 am

George was a great player, but not extraordinaire. John was I guess OK.
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Re: Harrison and Lennon on RS's 100 Greatest Guitarists

Postby mr h atom » Tue Nov 29, 2011 11:47 pm

i've seen chris play guitar, E...let me tell ya...as a guitar player, he makes a pretty good outfielder for the cubs...

as far as chris not playing any instrument at all...well...best all that is left unsaid...(but i did place that giant magnet on that videotape just like you requested, boss) but seriously folks...

i agree w/bro. chris wholeheartedly, on all counts...

i too have heard that 'black album'...hours and hours of it, some of that stuff is really cool...some of it, meh

george was, often, innovative..john best work was on the page and with his vocals: that is not meant to knock his rhythm guitar work...but adept, even artful, coloration is still just coloration

i can think of a few very talented, very creative axemen who did not make the list (gary moore, warren haynes, joe bonnamssa, tommy emmanuel, robert smith, elvin bishop...), so i can't get all that excited about any of it, anyway
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Re: Harrison and Lennon on RS's 100 Greatest Guitarists

Postby chris » Wed Nov 30, 2011 12:24 am

mr h atom wrote:i can think of a few very talented, very creative axemen who did not make the list (gary moore, warren haynes, joe bonnamssa, tommy emmanuel, robert smith, elvin bishop...), so i can't get all that excited about any of it, anyway


i am impressed, oh enlightened one. the three bolded are players who should be known much, much better than they are/were (although warren haynes will be on that list when his career is over, me thinks). your vast knowledge continues to impress.

now if you could just tell me how to stop receiving e-mails and texts from that free live sex cam show...i thought i was supposed to give permission before they showed my image. :shock: i didn't say that out loud, did i?
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Re: Harrison and Lennon on RS's 100 Greatest Guitarists

Postby mr h atom » Wed Nov 30, 2011 1:09 am

oh god...that was you ?!!?

when'd you lose all your hair ? :wink:

i never thought anyone could do that to the beat of 'eight days a week' !!

U-NO-HOO will be so P.O.'d...tee-hee !

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Re: Harrison and Lennon on RS's 100 Greatest Guitarists

Postby chris » Wed Nov 30, 2011 1:30 am

eight?...hmmph.

come on. thats kid's stuff. i accomplished that before lunch. :-??

now...if you don't mind...it's late, and i have unfinished work. you couldn't imagine how much time and effort it takes to start a new website, and get it up... and operational. :twisted:

yeah, i know
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