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Re: Double Fantasy

Postby linclink » Sun Mar 16, 2008 10:25 am

bobrocks: just leave a note when you've seen these posts (there are a bunch on pages 4 & 5 about this)

Here's a bunch of youtube Lennon demos & treatments (some with digital clean up to the demos) for the '74-'80 period. Lots of these are raw bootleg material with no digital clean up treatment yet, so it's pretty promising. The really major ones missing are: Illusions (Not For Love or Money), Sally & Billy, She is a Friend of Dorothy's. Three pretty incredible fully finished tracks, and I was actually surprised to not find them, considering that the others were up, and many in numerous versions. I thought the whole bootleg that this came from would've been posted by now. It was called "Dakota Beatle Demos", and it had most everything I'd referenced before. I located the liner notes on line, and if I can find them again, I'll post them. If I locate any other relevant stuff I'll post it too. Blessings!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=atn6zqnF_T0 (India- demo)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=atn6zqnF_T0 (India- treatment & cleaning up)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rPP4AtcC ... re=related (Now & Then- treatment)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Ud_1Hqw ... re=related (Whatever Happened To- demo)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VwU85V4V ... re=related (Gone From This Place- demo#1)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XGlKhMRG ... re=related (Gone From This Place- demo#2)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mpDLNU2jJBo (Help Me to Help Myself- treatment & cleaning up)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dZfNsOn7b94 (Help Me to Help Myself- demo)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FkRPBReJjVU (One of the Boys- treatment)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lN2Tbw7U8ng (Across The River- demo)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sqvZ0zDJunk (Dear John- demo)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eZGaM4LNbJw (Now & Then- demo)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WI9VxL29 ... re=related (Serve Yourself- treatment)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jUaZ2gYQPnk (Serve Yourself- demo)
The same collective has done these three (and other George & Paul demos & promises more in the future)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rEFkGaXuWXA (India- treatment)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YJrx66RyHF0 (Help Me To Help Myself- treatment)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wb5zFh6Nu5M (You Saved My Soul- treatment)
You might have seen these last few before, but they are fun.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fi0C3kH6TxE (Dear Yoko- Demo)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X_YQ9ROp4lE (Free as a Bird- The Beatles LIVE!)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DJo_YEbiBv8 (Real Love- The Beatles LIVE!)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ILcwDDh2 ... re=related (the making of The Threetles tracks from Anthology Extra Footage)
Blessings!!
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Re: Double Fantasy

Postby linclink » Sun Mar 16, 2008 10:27 am

bobrocks: If you've seen the posted youtube demos check back a couple of posts, as I posted a couple of others things related to this suject. I guess it probably should have been a new thread actually. Blessings!
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Re: Double Fantasy

Postby linclink » Sun Mar 16, 2008 10:32 am

bobrocks: just leave a note when you've seen these posts (there are a bunch on pages 4 & 5 about this)

Here are the original liner notes to the "Dakota Beatle Demos" bootleg...I got a copy years ago when I lived in NYC (1994-2000). Take some of the speculation about this became that, or borrows from this with a grain, or two of salt, some of it is clear and correct, and some of it, IMHO, is stretching it a bit far. Good info nonetheless...and...when you hear that "India" & "Illusions (Not For Love or Money)" were ignored by The Lost Lennon Tapes rasio seies you begin to wonder what else might be in the vaults. All the Lennon demos have completely cataloged and sealed away now very thoroughly and carefully...so at least they are well protected, preserved and organized. Blessings!
1.
Free As A Bird (Lennon)
3:27
SongCore collectionIdentifiedVersion validated

Piano Demo
Take 1
1977
John Lennon
Free As A Bird no longer needs an introduction. Recorded in 1977, John ran through a mere three passes at the Dakota upright before moving on. Presented here from a tape source is Take 1 which suffers from the early stages of "demo-us interruptus" unlike the broadcast version which was artificially extended.
Take 3, whose vocal is now instantly recognizable, appears elsewhere on this collection. Listening to these takes, it becomes apparent that the backing track of the recording was indeed a composite of John's demos, rather than a single take
2.
Real Love (Lennon)
4:08
Song

Take 1
(date unknown)
John Lennon
Originally conceived as a part of "The Ballad Of John And Yoko", Real Love has recently been immortalized as the latest Beatles' recording. We are proud to present from a tape source, Take 1 of John's Dakota piano demo which premieres the joining of Real Life with Baby Make Love To You.
3.
Now And Then (Lennon)
5:03
Song

(unidentified)
(date unknown)
John Lennon
Now And Then, the elusive thrid "Beatle track" which was never completed during the Spring, 1995 sessions, is introduced here in its original form, replete with "the buzz" which plagued co-producer Jeff Lynne. A careful listen reveals John's slip into She's A Friend Of Dorothy's during the instrumental break.
4.
Grow Old With Me (Lennon)
3:04
Song

(unidentified)
(date unknown)
John Lennon
What was once John's best known unfinished work due to its inclusion on Milk And Honey, Grow Old With Me possesses all of the elements of the "standard" treatment Yoko still envisions for it. The version appearing on this compilation is the stark piano and Rhythm-Ace recording prior to being tweaked for official release. You can actually discern both parts of John's double-tracked vocal.
5.
Free As A Bird (Lennon)
2:40
SongCore collectionIdentifiedVersion validatedVersion details available

Piano Demo
Take 3
1977
John Lennon
Features spoken intro: "hello, hello, free, three"
6.
Dear John (Lennon)
4:33
Song

(unidentified)
Nov 1980
John Lennon
Dating from early November, 1980, Dear John is one of the last known Lennon compositions to materialize. With trademark introspective lyrics still unfinished, John backs himself rigidly on acoustic guitar, yet urges himself to relax. John's vocal registers his embarrassment at being caught nicking a melody for the chorus - September Song. The keen-eared amongst you will note the longer fade, available here for the first time.
7.
That's The Way The World Is (Lennon)
3:04
Song

Demo
(date unknown)
John Lennon
That's The Way The World Is combines elements which would eventually unravel into two distinctly different styled songs, Real Love and I'm Stepping Out. A Dakota piano demo with single-tracked vocal, it appears here with a considerably longer introduction than its broadcast counterpart.
8.
India (Lennon)
3:04
Song

(unidentified)
(date unknown)
John Lennon
Forsaken by the "Lost Lennon Tapes" radio series, India makes its world premiere on this collection. Featuring an unheard set of lyrics atop a polished guitar backing, the melody marries an upbeat version of Tennessee with the chorus of Serve Yourself. Talk about potential!
9.
Mirror, Mirror (On The Wall) (Lennon)
2:36
Song

Take 1
1977
John Lennon
John recorded 5 takes of Mirror, Mirror (On The Wall) on the Dakota piano in the fall of 1977 for inclusion on "The Ballad Of John And Yoko". Take 1 is presented here, excerpted from a rambling composing sequence.
10.
Gone From This Place (Lennon)
3:24
Song

(unidentified)
(date unknown)
John Lennon
Unfortunately, John's acoustic guitar accompaniment obstructs his prophetic lyrics on this take of the unreleased Gone From This Place. Slightly longer than the broadcast version, this take couples the catchy melody with another original, She Runs Them Around In Circles.
11.
Across The River (Lennon)
2:42
Song

(unidentified)
(date unknown)
John Lennon
Across The River appeared previously on "The Lost Lennon Tapes" as part of what has come to be known as the J-9 Medley. The take appearing here was never aired as a part of the radio series, and features John accompanied by acoustic guitar and Rhythm-Ace.
12.
Don't Be Crazy (Lennon)
3:12
Song

Demo
(date unknown)
John Lennon
Don't Be Crazy was one of many compositions incorporated into (Just Like) Starting Over. On John's piano demo we hear the bridge/middle-eight portion taking shape, albeit with alternate lyrics.
13.
Not For Love Nor Money (Lennon)
2:42
Song

(unidentified)
(date unknown)
John Lennon
Another title overlooked by the radio series is Illusions (A.K.A. Not For Love Nor Money), a close miked acoustic guitar demo reminiscent of Serve Yourself and I'm Stepping Out. Once again we have an unknown set of lyrics dealing with disillusion.
14.
Baby Make Love To You (Lennon)
2:16
Song

Home Recording
1980
John Lennon
Part of a lenghty composing sequence, Baby Make Love To You offers a fascinating experience of hearing John discover the chord progression which would eventually develop into the verse of Real Love.
15.
Life Begins At Forty (Lennon)
2:43
Song

Acoustic Demo
Nov 1980
John Lennon
Recorded at the "Dakota Country And Western Club" on acoustic guitar and Rhythm-Ace, Live Begins At 40 makes its most complete appearance to date. This demo was given to Ringo when he met with John at The Plaza hotel in late November, 1980 for inclusion on what was to become Stop And Smell The Roses
16.
She's A Friend Of Dorothy (Lennon)
4:07
Song

Take 7
1977
John Lennon
Take 7 of She's A Friend Of Dorothy's dates from 1977 (it was first demoed the preceding year) and was also slated for "The Ballad Of John And Yoko". Lyrically, it's one of John's more intriguing works.
17.
You Saved My Soul (With Your True Love) (Lennon)
1:34
Song

(unidentified)
14 Nov 1980
John Lennon
You Saved My Soul is most likely John Lennon's last home recording to surface. Taken from a tape dated November 14, 1980, this electric guitar based demo is an excerpt of a longer "stream of conciousness" composing sequence which, among the false starts, also includes the well known Serve Yourself and interuptig vocalization Pop Is The Name Of The Game.
18.
Sally And Billy (Lennon)
3:28
Song

(unidentified)
(date unknown)
John Lennon
From the early house husband years is Sally And Billy. Dating from 1976, this piano/drum machine based demo updates the Titenhurst Park version which was recorded towards the end of 1970. Note that the chorus still retains the melody used several years earlier on the Mind Games track Only People.
19.
Whatever Happened To... (Lennon)
4:39
SongCore collectionIdentifiedVersion validated

Piano Demo
1977
John Lennon
Taken from the same cassette as Free As A Bird, Whatever Happened To... was another of the several tracks composed for the unrealized stage play "The Ballad Of John And Yoko". John punctuates his vocal with a staccato acoustic guitar on this demo which dates from 1977.
20.
One Of The Boys (Lennon)
3:10
Song

(unidentified)
(date unknown)
John Lennon
One Of The Boys is another unreleased original committed to tape shortly after the Lennon's returned from their Japanese holiday towards the end of 1977. Recorded at the Dakota, two takes have surfaced, both with a spirited acoustic guitar accompaniment. The last of these known takes is presented here. The slightly familiar melody (and lyrics!) which appear towards the end of take 2 belong to a tune entitled Caribbean - popularized nearly twenty years earlier by Mitchell Torok and also revisited by the Plastic Ono Elephant's Memory Band during their 1972 Record Plant breakfast jam.
21.
Help Me To Help Myself (Lennon/McCartney)
2:08
Song

Demo
(date unknown)
John Lennon
Help Me To Help Myself is an original piano based demo, presented in a gospel style. It was recorded prior to the Dylanesque guitar/drum machine demo also heard on "The Lost Lennon Tapes".
22.
Real Love (Lennon)
3:56
Song

Take 4
(date unknown)
John Lennon
This is take 4 of a series of acoustic demos John recorded of Real Love (AKA Boys And Girls) in early 1980. Take 6 appeared previously on the Imagine: John Lennon soundtrack. Interestingly enough, the lyrics to both takes are "Real Life" rather than "Real Love"
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Re: Double Fantasy

Postby linclink » Sun Mar 16, 2008 3:36 pm

bobrocks: just a quick post to keep this on the radio board of ten most recent posts, so you get access to the demos I posted for you...posts on both page 4 & 5. Just leave a note when you've seen them. Blessings!
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Re: Double Fantasy

Postby bobrocks » Sun Mar 16, 2008 5:53 pm

Thanks for all the effort. I'm slowly working thru them.
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Re: Double Fantasy

Postby linclink » Sun Mar 16, 2008 6:10 pm

Take you time & enjoy...If I locate anymore online, I'll post them. Blessings!
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Re: Double Fantasy

Postby nerktwin » Sat Mar 22, 2008 10:54 pm

I love John's songs, but I like "kiss, kiss, kiss
from Yoko on that album but that's it- her last song "Hard Times are Over" I like too
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