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John's near Christian conversion

Postby DeRick » Tue Jul 31, 2007 1:21 pm

Before i start, i just wanna say i am a Christian, i was at church and my Sunday school teacher claimed as fact that in 1978 Lennon did accept Jesus Christ as his Lord but Yoko went absolutly ballistic, "Dont you ever even think that again!!". But you cant really stop someone from converting, i dont care if Yoko claims to be the "the female christ", she may have had some control over what he did & said, but you cannot control a person's heart.
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Re: John's near Christian conversion

Postby Crisstti » Tue Jul 31, 2007 2:57 pm

http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/200 ... 34.86.html


Popular Culture: The Ballad of John and Jesus
Two books tell the story behind John Lennon's short-lived conversion.
By Steve Turner | posted 6/12/2000 12:00AM


Two new books on John Lennon claim that the ex-Beatle experienced a brief period as a born-again Christian during the 1970s. While living the life of a virtual recluse in New York's Dakota Building, Lennon became an avid viewer of American TV evangelists and, at some point during 1977, declared that he had been saved. Robert Rosen in Nowhere Man: The Final Days of John Lennon (published in June by Soft Skull Press) cites Billy Graham as the main influence, whereas Geoffrey Giuliano in Lennon in America (published in June by Cooper Square Press) mentions both Graham and Pat Robertson. Both agree that the period, during which Lennon peppered his everyday conversation with:

"Praise the Lord" and "Thank you, Jesus," was brief. Giuliano says it lasted for "a matter of months." Rosen suggests it was "about two weeks."

Both writers have based their information on sources close to Lennon and on the singer's personal diaries, which circulated shortly after his death and were then retrieved by his widow, Yoko Ono. The existence of the diaries has been known for some time, but so far no writer has divulged their contents. Because of legal problems, neither Rosen nor Giuliano has been able to quote directly from the diaries, but both have drawn on the information.

"One day [Lennon] had an epiphany—he allowed himself to be touched by the love of Jesus Christ, and it drove him to tears of joy and ecstacy," writes Rosen, a New York journalist briefly employed by Ono.
"He drew a picture of a crucifix; he was born again, and the experience was such a kick that he had to share it with Yoko."
Giuliano, who has written extensively about the Beatles, pinpoints the conversion to a Palm Sunday and says that Lennon was so moved by a series about Jesus broadcast on Robertson's CBN that he broke down in tears. In the following weeks, he attended church services and took his son, Sean, to a Christian theater performance. He even called The 700 Club help line to request prayer for his health and troubled marriage.

"He prayed for forgiveness when he stepped on insects or snapped at the maid," Giuliano writes.
"He became convinced that Jesus was personally protecting Sean."
Ono, whose first husband Anthony Cox became an evangelical Christian in the 1970s, was displeased with Lennon's changed outlook. Giuliano claims that Lennon began to challenge her interest in the occult and was disappointed that she wouldn't join him in watching Graham's telecasts.

"This dramatic conversion worried Yoko," Giuliano writes.
"She feared that John's new faith would clash with her own ideas about spiritualism and threaten her iron hold over him."
In the end Ono won. In his final years, the man best known for his lines "Imagine there's no heaven / It's easy if you try" was living a life dictated by astrologers, numerologists, clairvoyants, psychics, herbalists, and tarot-card readers. The one song that Lennon wrote during his born-again period has never been released. "You Saved My Soul," which recounts being prevented from attempting suicide while staying in a Tokyo hotel, is known only to Beatles bootleggers. Two years later, Lennon wrote a parody of Bob Dylan's "Gotta Serve Somebody" in which he urged his listeners to believe in no one but themselves—a line he had peddled on his first solo release in 1970. According to Rosen in Nowhere Man, Lennon wrote the song in Palm Beach after seeing the newly converted Dylan on a Grammy Awards TV broadcast.

Rosen writes that "Serve Yourself" was "a wrathful protest bristling with fury and despair."
"(You got to serve yourself / Nobody gonna do it for you / You may believe in devils / You may believe in laws / But you know you're gonna to have to serve yourself.")Unlike the other Beatles, Lennon was raised as a nominal Christian and attended Sunday school at St. Peter's Church in Woolton, Liverpool. This early exposure to Christianity may explain why he always seemed to regard Jesus as a figure who had to be dealt with, whether through comparison ("The Beatles are more popular than Jesus"), identification ("They're gonna crucify me," in "Ballad of John and Yoko"), or challenge ("I don't believe in Jesus," in "God").

Where his contemporaries ignored Jesus, Lennon had to continually take him on. In his final interviews, carried out just weeks before his death in December 1980, Lennon said his beliefs could be described as "Zen Christian, Zen pagan, Zen Marxist" or nothing at all. Speaking to Newsweek's Barbara Graustark, however, Lennon revealed that he still reads the Bible. "Some of [Christ's parables] are only making sense to me now, after a whole life of sitting in church or school," he told her.

"It was just moany, moany, moany for years, and then I hear it again and I think, God, that's what he means."
Steve Turner is a journalist and poet living in London.
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Re: John's near Christian conversion

Postby james1985 » Tue Jul 31, 2007 5:08 pm

John Lennon was NOT a Christian. It annoys me so much when western religions try to grab the Beatles for themselves. Let It Be is NOT about the virgin mary. John Lennon said imagine there's NO heaven. no religion too.

Listen to Serve Yourself, people. That's what JL thought about religion
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Re: John's near Christian conversion

Postby Crisstti » Tue Jul 31, 2007 7:21 pm

Well, but for a while, it seems he was a christian.
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Re: John's near Christian conversion

Postby mervap » Tue Jul 31, 2007 7:51 pm

Old JL spent his whole life in search of SOMETHING...he dabbled in many different religions, he played rock & roll music, he took drugs...in the end it appears (though without knowing him it's hard to say) that he found his greatest fulfillment being a dad to Sean. Incidentally, where I go to church the Beatles are still viewed with great skepticism...do some churches really try to co-op the Beatles? I'd love to see some links about that.
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Re: John's near Christian conversion

Postby Crisstti » Tue Jul 31, 2007 8:13 pm

mervap wrote:Incidentally, where I go to church the Beatles are still viewed with great skepticism...do some churches really try to co-op the Beatles? I'd love to see some links about that.


"Co-op"?????. What does that mean?.
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Re: John's near Christian conversion

Postby mervap » Tue Jul 31, 2007 9:55 pm

I actually mis-spelled it...co-opt is the term I meant to use! DOH!! Co-opt means to take something and use it for one's own ends. In this case, it appears that one group (western religion) has attempted to use the ideas or lyrics of another group (the Beatles) to support some kind of agenda or teaching. I don't think I'm stepping on any toes when I say that JL in particular had a problem with 'organized religion'. One need only to observe the lyrics cited in James 1985's post...not to mention the whole 'Beatles are bigger than Jesus' thing. Of course, that is not to say he couln't have tried Christianity...I've not read much about those years in the Dakota. sorry about the bad english! :oops:
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Re: John's near Christian conversion

Postby Crisstti » Tue Jul 31, 2007 11:16 pm

mervap wrote:I actually mis-spelled it...co-opt is the term I meant to use! DOH!! Co-opt means to take something and use it for one's own ends. In this case, it appears that one group (western religion) has attempted to use the ideas or lyrics of another group (the Beatles) to support some kind of agenda or teaching. I don't think I'm stepping on any toes when I say that JL in particular had a problem with 'organized religion'. One need only to observe the lyrics cited in James 1985's post...not to mention the whole 'Beatles are bigger than Jesus' thing. Of course, that is not to say he couln't have tried Christianity...I've not read much about those years in the Dakota. sorry about the bad english! :oops:


Oh, don't worry!, I've learned a new word!.

Just one thing, John's statement was "The Beatles are more popular than Jesus", not bigger. :).
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Re: John's near Christian conversion

Postby mervap » Wed Aug 01, 2007 1:13 am

See there! We're sharpening up those English skills every day! :D
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Re: John's near Christian conversion

Postby Paulo » Wed Aug 01, 2007 1:17 pm

mervap wrote:I actually mis-spelled it...co-opt is the term I meant to use! DOH!! Co-opt means to take something and use it for one's own ends. In this case, it appears that one group (western religion) has attempted to use the ideas or lyrics of another group (the Beatles) to support some kind of agenda or teaching. I don't think I'm stepping on any toes when I say that JL in particular had a problem with 'organized religion'. One need only to observe the lyrics cited in James 1985's post...not to mention the whole 'Beatles are bigger than Jesus' thing. Of course, that is not to say he couln't have tried Christianity...I've not read much about those years in the Dakota. sorry about the bad english! :oops:


Let's leave all that to Bono and U2.

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