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Postby Berkeleyan » Thu Nov 13, 2003 8:38 am

So what's with the title - One Hand Clapping ?
What's the other hand doing [}:)]?
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Postby Steve-o » Thu Nov 13, 2003 10:01 am

quote:Originally posted by Berkeleyan
So what's with the title - One Hand Clapping ?
What's the other hand doing [}:)]?
From p. 164, Yabukoji, in The Zen Master Hakuin: Selected Writings, Translated by Philip B. Yampolsky, Columbia University Press, New York and London, 1971.

What is the Sound of the Single Hand? When you clap together both hands a sharp sound is heard; when you raise the one hand there is neither sound nor smell. Is this the High Heaven of which Confucius speaks? Or is it the essentials of what Yamamba describes in these words: "The echo of the completely empty valley bears tidings heard from the soundless sound?" This is something that can by no means be heard with the ear. If conceptions and discriminations are not mixed within it and it is quite apart from seeing, hearing, perceiving, and knowing, and if, while walking, standing, sitting, and reclining, you proceed straightforwardly without interruption in the study of this koan, you will suddenly pluck out the karmic root of birth and death and break down the cave of ignorance. Thus you will attain to a peace in which the phoenix has left the golden net and the crane has been set free of the basket. At this time the basis of mind, consciousness, and emotion is suddenly shattered; the realm of illusion with its endless sinking in the cycle of birth and death is overturned. The treasure accumulation of the Three Bodies and the Four Wisdoms is taken away, and the miraculous realms of the Six Supernatural Powers and Three Insights is transcended.

Or something like that. [:D]
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Postby Grillo » Thu Nov 13, 2003 1:23 pm

quote:Originally posted by stevew628
quote:Originally posted by Berkeleyan
So what's with the title - One Hand Clapping ?
What's the other hand doing [}:)]?
From p. 164, Yabukoji, in The Zen Master Hakuin: Selected Writings, Translated by Philip B. Yampolsky, Columbia University Press, New York and London, 1971.

What is the Sound of the Single Hand? When you clap together both hands a sharp sound is heard; when you raise the one hand there is neither sound nor smell. Is this the High Heaven of which Confucius speaks? Or is it the essentials of what Yamamba describes in these words: "The echo of the completely empty valley bears tidings heard from the soundless sound?" This is something that can by no means be heard with the ear. If conceptions and discriminations are not mixed within it and it is quite apart from seeing, hearing, perceiving, and knowing, and if, while walking, standing, sitting, and reclining, you proceed straightforwardly without interruption in the study of this koan, you will suddenly pluck out the karmic root of birth and death and break down the cave of ignorance. Thus you will attain to a peace in which the phoenix has left the golden net and the crane has been set free of the basket. At this time the basis of mind, consciousness, and emotion is suddenly shattered; the realm of illusion with its endless sinking in the cycle of birth and death is overturned. The treasure accumulation of the Three Bodies and the Four Wisdoms is taken away, and the miraculous realms of the Six Supernatural Powers and Three Insights is transcended.

Or something like that. [:D]




Hey, that was great Stiv
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Postby Steve-o » Thu Nov 13, 2003 2:17 pm

It's too heavy for me, Grills [:D]
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Postby theDingle » Thu Nov 13, 2003 4:15 pm

Sounds like a Buddhist's theological version of the question: If a tree fell in the forest, and nobody was there to hear it, would it still make any sound? LOL
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Postby Berkeleyan » Tue Nov 18, 2003 11:32 am

It sure would - but wouldn't cause a stir...
Things happen without us being present to register the fact.


But I must say I'm still not convinced about the higher meanings behing "One Hand Clapping" as transcendentally exposed by Your Holyness Stevie Knowsitall...[:D][}:)]
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Postby Steve-o » Tue Nov 18, 2003 12:01 pm

quote:Originally posted by Berkeleyan
Your Holyness Stevie Knowsitall...[:D][}:)]
I have 2 words for you Berk, but this is a family forum. [;)][}:)]
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Postby Steve-o » Tue Nov 18, 2003 12:16 pm

And they are:

Gone Berko

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Postby Berkeleyan » Fri Nov 21, 2003 10:51 am

I´m Berkeleyan, not Beserkeleyan [:)]
You cannot be convinced, me neither - that´s fair, don´t you think ?
Or you don´t agree w/ this either. At least we agree we disagree.

P.S. FYI I´m not a Berk, understood ?
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Postby Steve-o » Fri Nov 21, 2003 11:06 am

What is a Berk?
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