james1985 wrote:even if it was ultimately all Oasis Rutleing it up
efghijiloveyou wrote:Now just to clarify things, James, you don't think Flaming Pie points in the direction of Chaos with very personal tracks like "Somedays", "Little Willow", "The World Tonight", "Calico Skies" and "Great Day"?
oobujoobu1971 wrote:james1985 wrote:even if it was ultimately all Oasis Rutleing it up
The first time I saw The Rutles in concert, about 10 years ago, Neil Innes started playing that opening riff in Shangri-La, singing "I'm free, to be whatever I want..."
A beautiful moment, the ultimate Neil Innes-Monty Python-Oasis-Rutles-then Rutles again riff!
james1985 wrote:efghijiloveyou wrote:Now just to clarify things, James, you don't think Flaming Pie points in the direction of Chaos with very personal tracks like "Somedays", "Little Willow", "The World Tonight", "Calico Skies" and "Great Day"?
Not really, because I think after Linda died he explored and wrote about 'personal' themes in a slightly different way. There's nothing lyric-wise as interesting as From A Lover, or I Do, or Vanity Fair, or Too Much Rain, or You Tell Me for example.
Calico Skies means a lot to me because now we know it's a man pretty much saying goodbye to his wife. And it's really emotional and poignant. But the other songs you mention don't make me think "well, what does he mean by that" like a lot of the stuff from Driving Rain on has. FP has more in common with OTG and FITD (and I think it's a lot stronger than either of those two albums) than it does with the post-2000 stuff.
I'm not saying he's turned into Bob Dylan, but there's a weight and depth behind his post-2000 work that makes FP seem lightweight in comparison.
mr h atom wrote:hmmm..totally agree that he's gotten 'deeper' since FP...but he did a far better job, album-length-wise, here than he had ever done before...
...'course...he was getting older...his kids were all growing up/away...he was, obviously, maturing as an individual...and that mindset had been creeping in pretty much since TOW...
if'n i 'member right...the album was worked on while she had been diagnosed and was going through all that...
for the most part i always thought the album as a whole wasn't a 'good-bye' moment...but a 'holy sh!t, what is happening to us'...moment.
agree w/MH...never saw CS in that light...always thought 'somedays' might've come closer to that sort of thing: it hit me as a quiet moment between two who had been through so much and were, at least possibly, looking down a very scary tunnel
no doubts in my mind, tho...of the recent very good run, FP, now, just does not feel as accomplished as each (with an exception...possibly, for DR) succeeding albums, suffering some of the weakness' that james alluded to, in one manner/way/form or another...
i've said it before...each and every album, since M2, has, in its own way, gotten more mature and, in many cases, better for it...all of which simply means, for me, that for some time now, he's been on quite a roll
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