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Postby Gastro (gone) » Tue Sep 16, 2003 7:20 pm

I don't think George has made a bad album, some people might say he's only made 1 great album in ATMP but Paul has only one album which is considered great in BOTR. Paul's bar is set higher than George's no doubt about it. George is generally considered as a mediocre artist and I guess that's not so bad because it means you're not hated as much.
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Postby Cologne girl » Wed Sep 17, 2003 6:38 pm

quote:Originally posted by Gastro Boy
I don't think George has made a bad album, some people might say he's only made 1 great album in ATMP but Paul has only one album which is considered great in BOTR. Paul's bar is set higher than George's no doubt about it. George is generally considered as a mediocre artist and I guess that's not so bad because it means you're not hated as much.

The way you phrase your comment is interesting: "one great album" vs. "one album which is considered great" (i.e. which might not actually be that great??)... Anyhow, I think this does not do justice to either of them, they have done more great stuff than just these two albums. - From what I have gathered about George (in as far as you can, not knowing him personally), watching him perform on stage, in interviews or reading about him, he seemed to be the classical case of still waters running deep. Rather introvert and highly self-critical, when he did release something (same as when he said something, for instance on Anthology), it used to be to the point and high quality. In other words, walking slowly and parsimoniously, you don't run such a high risk of putting your foot in it. You might find this ridiculous - and I don't unconditionally believe in these things myself -, but it seems to be the classical difference between Pisces (water sign, introvert) on the one hand and Gemini/Libra (air signs, rather more extrovert) on the other. At one point in Anthology, George says about John and Paul (I think in connection with the Apple project) that it had been "just their egos running away with them" - I found this highly significant. The only thing I can say from experience (sorry for getting a bit personal on this) is that being a water sign is no fun; maybe that's why - in the typical manner of desiring what you do not possess yourself - I find John's and Paul's approach more appealing.

As for being hated or not, I think it is preferable (at least I would prefer) being either loved or hated to people feeling indifferent about you. If you are either loved or hated, this means that you have left some impact...
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Postby Berkeleyan » Thu Sep 18, 2003 11:54 am

Hello Cologne Girl,
I enjoyed your approach & related comments a great deal. As for the sign reference, I just would like to point out that the Beatles were formed by two "water" signs (George, Ringo) and two "air" signs (John, Paul). Yes, it´s like - "water" kind of displays a lot of struggle, sacrifices throughout their lifes, whereas " air" kinda of displays some "cruising control" thru´life and things tend to go their way...
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Postby Laewsky » Mon Feb 16, 2004 1:07 pm

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I'm from Russia, and I also like beatles:-)
Cloud 9 is one of the best George's albums, of course. I like When We Was Fab, Cloud 9, Just For Today, Devil's Radio. George is my favourite beatle, he's so romantic and wise. I like While My Guitar Gently Weeps best of all - it's VERY great song!!!
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Postby dsnito » Mon Feb 16, 2004 6:43 pm

Welcome, Russian Friend!![:)] I know you russians ever liked THE BEATLES group or solo even when you were under the socialist sovietic regim.

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Postby Laewsky » Tue Feb 17, 2004 12:12 pm

Yes, and Paul was in Moscow with a concert on May 24th. I wasn't at this concert[:(], but I watched it on TV later. It was very amazing, when he was singing "I'm Back In USSR..."
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Postby kylestyle » Fri Apr 09, 2004 9:12 am

I could dribble on and on about Cloud 9, but just want to say my favourite songs on it are "Fish On The Sand", "Devil's Radio", and the title track. Add in the hit singles, and it's a pretty strong album.

As for the comments on the Jeff Lynne factor, I think he's one of those guys in the music business who genuinely loved The Beatles so much, he wished to emulate their sound as he imagines it in his own mind, which is like that Abbey Road era with lots of big drums. So, this is where you get this trademark pattern with drums doing this regular 4/4 thing with a prominent 'dead-sounding snare, flanked by dah-dah-dah-dah-dah keyboards in behind it...the kind of sound you hear in much ELO songs as well as Tom Petty I Won't Back Down, Fish on the Sand, and Flaming Pie. Then when you get a slower tempo song, Jeff Lynne will use a drum sound not too dissimilar to Ringo in the likes of Hey Jude / Hello Goodbye (if slowed down)/ Let It Be etc, like what you hear in Telephone Line and Free As A Bird.

The whole Jeff Lynne production style can get on the nerves of people, but I kinda like it, I associate it with a classic formula of sorts. I can imagine how people find it annoying when you swear he's copy-and-pasted that backing track ad infinitum for another song. I think he should break the mould and do DJ dance mixes, myself :)
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Postby theDingle » Fri Apr 09, 2004 8:16 pm

kylestyle wrote:The whole Jeff Lynne production style can get on the nerves of people, but I kinda like it, I associate it with a classic formula of sorts. I can imagine how people find it annoying when you swear he's copy-and-pasted that backing track ad infinitum for another song.
WAD, ks, people do go on about him, but I like his trademark sound anyway.
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Postby kylestyle » Fri Apr 09, 2004 10:10 pm

As I see it, you never hear about people complaining about Phil Spector's wall of sound, or Steve Albini's beefy kick drum sounds. It's good for a producer to have their own style, and yeah, I like his trademark sound too.
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Postby Bluebird » Sun Apr 11, 2004 11:00 am

Sensationel that George could write such a good album after a break on 7 years.
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